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the most to lose than anyone i know but the only way to fix the economy. >> eric: president obama wants tax cuts to expire for everyone except those making under $250,000 a year. john boehner plan "b" making $1 million. this looked like president obama coming back with the same deal at 250. they are miles apart. >> kimberly: you were able to speak to people on the hill. what was your reaction? >> andrea: the president spread the stories that he will come to the table with a deal. swan dive off the fiscal cliff, hold your nose. we're going off. president obama wants to us go off hecht will come back with a largeer plan. the obama tax cut. then he will be able to reintate across-the-board sequestration cuts. 8.2% across the board. cut defense and health. they will be able to reintate a lot of programs and give his caucus the opportunity to say look, i am voting for something. i am voting to restore tax cuts for the middle class. voting to restore great thin things. republicans are in a tough position. no one will say vote to restore the tax cut for rich. this is his game plan from day one. >>
and signed by president obama. the idea being to make it so painful not to cut a deal on taxes and spending that they would be forced to cut a deal on taxes and spending. except keeping them honest, they haven't done it. even though they knew the stakes, they knew the deadline, and both sides promised that this time things would be different. >> we need to return to fiscal responsibility. >> how is it that we're going to be able to do that? getting our fiscal house in order. >> the american people have spoken loudly. they want us to get our fiscal house in order. >> fiscal handcuffs on this congress that are sorely needed. >> washington is beginning to get its fiscal house in order. >> so they approve legislation that gave everyone nearly a year and a half to reach a long-term agreement on spending and taxes or face truly punishing consequences if they didn't. you'll remember at the time this was a really big deal. republicans had forced the issue by refusing to raise the debt ceiling without budget cuts. markets went haywire. gabby giffords even returned to washington from rehab from her a
and become the obama tax cuts, right? i think that's what conservatives and republicans should be most worried about from a long-term political perspective right now. i mean, in a sense, they have sort of -- they have won a particular policy battle in the sense that most of the bush tax cuts, both parties believe should be extended. right? we're talking about 97%, 98% of the bush tax cuts. you could say that's a policy win for republicans, but if those tax cuts ended up getting branded as obama's tax cuts that he passed after we went over the fiscal cliff, it then loses whatever upside there was for republicans, except, and we have to mention this, for republicans vulnerable to primary challenges, there's obviously a lot of anxiety about being, you know, the first republican in 20 years to vote for a tax increase. i think that's the big fear, that it's been so long. republicans haven't cast this kind of vote. you don't want to be the first one to do it. >> yeah, and charles, we're told the democrats may be waiting until the very last minute. maybe they're banking on pressure and the go
the cliff. pass the obama tax cut and reinstate the sequester cuts to things like he likes like the national institute of health and cut the defense budget. put republicans in the corner to say you want to bring a bill to the floor? be my guest. am i right? >> bob: my, you are cynical. keep in mind, they said, boehner said he wants to go to the senate. under the constitution, you cannot start a bill on taxes in the senate. has to come from the house. there is a 48-hour limit because you have to have the house of representatives look at it. i think the deal is cut. they will get legislation and vote on it late monday night. >> andrea: do you think a deal is cut? i talk to people and they say no deal. >> eric: there is no deal. they are saying no deal. president obama coming back to d.c. to fix what he broke in the first place. two solid years to deal with it. this is a gimmick, the flying back from hawaii to do this. nothing going over the fiscal cliff. let the tax cut expire. come back in, offer the tax cuts for people under 250. call them obama cuts and get it going. if you are in congress.
's tax increase, whether we get obama's tax increase tomorrow or get it a month from now the net result is still the same. we're going to have a less competitive economy because of what is coming out of washington. adam: chime in, rick said, nah why do you say that? >> you will get a tax increase. i think number will be closer to 500,000 before we're done. certainly closer than 250,000. this is, i don't know, for years i've had to listen to this, it is going to hurt our economy if we raise taxes on the top 2%. there are many things happening that can hurt our economy. the fact we're having this conversation two or three days before the end of the year is hurtings our economy. adam: but we've seen that. >> raising taxes isn't going to be it. adam: let me bring dan back in here. dan, i want to ask you, raising taxes only raises $80 billion at best in a budget almost a trillion dollars over budget. so what do you to fix that problem? >> all we have to do to balance the budget in 10 years limit the growth of government spending so that the budget climbs by an average 2.5% a year. in my mind
for is increasing taxes that will only pay for 8 1/2 days of government spending. now president obama has not been a leader on this. he's not been serious. he's been acting weak and, of course, clinging to his radical ideology. enough is enough. maybe it's time to have the republicans call the president's bluff. let him take the country over the fiscal cliff if he so chews. republicans were elected to get the fiscal house in order. maybe it's time to stand up for your kids, your grandchildren. maybe they should dig in their heels and say they are looking out for the future and future generations. maybe now is is a time to take a principle stand and say they are not going to let washington continue with the out of control spending, the debts and deficit. maybe now at this moment maybe that's the right thing to do. joining me now with reaction to the developing steer are congressman loui gomert and -- go ahead. >> i can totally with him that he cannot imagine our consciouses in the house because you would have to have one to imagine ours, and he's shown repeatedly over three years of no budget? come
, obama says my plan is that if you make less than $200,000 you'll see no income tax increase next year, so obama's new commitment is only the income tax, only for one year. >> right. >> and, of course, we're all paying higher taxes in january because of obama care. >> okay. >> taxes on capital gains. >> let me ask you this though, grover. i can imagine you wear it as a badge of honor to this the senate majority leader on the floor of the senate invoking your name in frustration because there are people on the republican side who are, you know, following your -- your lead to not raise taxes, but let's face it. you were in -- you were imposing this no higher tax in a different era, at a different time, in a different part of the economic cycle. aren't we at a point now economically where there has to be some mechanism of revenue raising to try and solve the debt crisis? yes, i know you're going to talk about spending cuts. that's important as well, but you've got to balance the budget in some way, and it's got to include some form of a tax increase, not just on million dollar earners, ag
, instead just voting to reinstate a tax cut, that then it sort of president obama's tax cut so he gets credit for that. >> do you have any sense of what will happen around that table today? who called the meeting if there's an agenda or are they going to sit around and stare at each other until one of them blinks? >> we don't have a sense. i'm sure that we will be getting a sense. this is supposed to take place at 3:00 p.m. at the white house. the vice president, president and four top congressional leaders. we don't know what will be said. i think we will likely hear from some camps afterwards. >> if you are wondering what a trip down the fiscal cliff might mean for your paycheck, for your 401(k), look no further than yesterday's dow. at the opening bell, a dive of more than 1%. investors finding little hope for the fiscal cliff compromise on capitol hill. when word came down two sides might be meeting. reversal of fortune. the dow rebounding for a while before finishing slightly lower. >>> a nation this morning remembering the american general credited with orchestrating one of the m
. let's write a new book. by the way, those are now going to be called the obama tax cuts. i'm calling it first. the obama tax cuts. he's going to write a tax cut bill, send it up to the hill, and they're going to pass it. >> expires on january 2nd. >> do we make them permanent, jimmy? 98% of them will be made permanent? >> i hope not. that is not the job of the government. the government's job is to raise taxes and to lower taxes when our economy needs it. that's what the senate does. john breaux, former senator john breaux from louisiana sat on the floor during the 2001 tax bill and said our job is to raise taxes when they need to be raised and lower them when they need to be lowered. that's the senate and the house's job. >> but, one man's -- is another man's -- if you look at the laugher curve you don't know when to raise and when to lower at this point. >> president obama kept bush's taxes in for two years. >> i know. >> but suddenly, you know, democrats like you love the 98%, and you hate the 2%. it's very weird. >> tell him, joe. >> don't hate the 2%. i'm not a self-loathing hat
of the taxes go up, lawyer, a as you know, on january 2. >> is it that bad for president obama if we go over the cliff, oh, throw the nation into recession and lose all these jobs but he views everything through a political lens does he not? >> he does. >> laura: i think they made the calculation this won't hurt them one bit and they have gotten the peg on the tea he party and boehner or something. >> the president has said that by the way of the negotiations and john boehner made the statement the other day that the president says look unless you give it my way i will bash you in the inauguration speech. but i want to ask a question to you. i mean why can't we simply we are at the edge of this cliff. every economist agrees that will do serious harm to the economy if we don't get an agreement. why doesn't the president agree to a six month extension on the current tax rates and work this out next year and what is so hard about that? let's put the economy over politics here. >> because the whole fiscal cliff which is a manufactured cliff essentially by both houses of congress happened because
three days to go before the fiscal cliff when tax heights and spending cuts kick in. president obama and congressional leaders are meeting at the white house right now trying to figure out a way to avoid it. negotiation have been under way for about an hour. steve handelsman joins us. so far no deal? >> i'm checking. so far the meeting continues, which could be a bad sign, can it? sources here on the hill say in today's meeting president obama planned to be kind of tough, figuring that he has gotten the advantage back to the extent anybody has the advantage this close to the cliff and that he'll push hi original demand, the tack rates rise on income over a quarter million dollars. it's a positive sign, the first meeting since mid-november of the four congressional leaders, democrats and republicans at the white house. called by president obama, house speaker jane boehner, the key figure. >> the fact that he's come back and the four of them are at the table means to me we could come up with some kind of agreement. >> reporter: both sides want a deal to avoid tax hikes that could cost
to cut taxes. elisabeth corridon.. awarding. >> both obama and the senate returned to washington today after a christmas break. house leaders announced the chamber would reconvene sunday and possibly stay in session until a new congress is sworn in january third. someone hacked into her the san francisco muni service will be free this friday to celebrate muni's 100 years of service. and 100 years of customer support. all buses.including light rail lines and cable cars will be free from 5 a-m friday through 5 a-m saturday muni officials initially considered charging a five cent fare.the price riders paid a century ago. but ride free instead. muni service will also be between 8 p.m. monday through 6 a.m. tuesday. >> jacqueline: it was dry but the rain fall overturns. with mostly clear skies and colder temperatures. for rainfall-will return clouds increasing. the lingering towards a saturday. as we take a look on futurecast we already see the increase with clouds but the revolt was not arrive until later here comes the cold front by 6:00 on friday it will push into santa rosa. by 8:00, mo
hikes will tax place on january the 1st. >> president barack obama returned to washington deeply meyered in another partisan stalemate. but over in the capitol the lower house of congress remains dark to avert the fiscal cliff. it's republican leader will call the session on sunday. the top senate said his branch of congress must take the initiative on a compromise. >> it appears to me the action if there is any is now on the senate and we will have to see if we're able on a bipartisan to move forward. >> but the democrats say there can be no deal without republican concessions on tax increases. >> unless we get a sign-off from the republicans in the house, we can't get anything done. for them to talk about a bipartisan arrangement, we have done that. >> without a deal, the mediate effect would billion a tax hike. relief checks to $2 million -- 2 million onamericans would also cut, possibly triggers another major u.s. recession. >> things that you don't really need, you're not going to get. >> it will probably affect my finances in a huge way. >> it will affect my dad. my dad's 76 and he
fundamentally don't want to raise taxes on anyone but president obama is hoping that the bush tax cuts will beextended except for those making $250,000 or more and republicans say no way. clearly both sides are not coming together on anything any time soon. >> all right and the beat goes on. sandra endo in dc thanks so much for the time. >>> news time is #:32. -- 6:32. the debate over whether teachers should be able to bring guns to school got more heated. 200 teachers from utah packed the conference room and learned how to carry a concealed weapon on the job. and how to protect their schools from an armed intruder. >> the safety is the biggest part. and to be able to use them appropriately is really high priority for me. >> utah is one of the few states where public schools allow guns on campus advocates argue that just having guns at the school might be enough to keep the criminals away and some teachers in utah want more gun training. organizers are planning another class for the next holiday break. >>> this story is just despicable. fbi arrested a new york woman for allegedly scamm
about raising taxes on rich peel. obama care does raise taxes on rich people to pay for health insurance for poor people. that is fact number one. number two, as you are ringing in the new year, think about the fact that health care for the poor will actually be improving this year. there are more than 50 million people on medicaid. medicaid is the main program used to give health care to the poor and to the children in this country. medicaid is super cheap. it is way, way cheaper than private insurance or medicare. and in part it is so cheap because it pays doctors a lot less than those programs do. that means a lot of doctors, particularly primary care doctors, don't want to participate in medicaid or they can't afford to. so a lot of folks on medicaid have trouble actually getting care. doctors who accept medicaid coverage are going to see a 73 -- primary care doctors i should say. a 73% raise in 2013. which means those folks will have more access to more doctors. so we're not just expanding health care for the poor in 2014. starting in 2013 we're making it better health care. that is
combined mpg c-max hybrid. >> julia: in four days several taxes tied to obama care will go in to effect including the medical device tax. healther found out it is about to impact every american. good to see you. >> that is right. this will pact every consumer. a new tax coming out. the tax will be put on devices that range from mri's to prosthetics and items in every doctor's office and veterinary offices. it will be passed alongg to consumers and manufacturers say it will result in job loss and stifle innovation and upon send jobs over seas. we went to one manufacturer. adm electronics that employs 19 people to ask them what it means for their industry. >> your company is about to be hit with a 2.3 percent tax on medical devices. >> it means more. it is on gross sales and that can hurt the number of people working for us and number of sales and increase the costs of our device. >> this is a family run business and been in business 40 years. how does it plea out for your company? >> we tried not to lose our employees because we are like family and the devastating impact we may not be ab
.i. . >>> right now on first look -- d-day for president obama and congressional leaders. automatic tax cuts and smaller paychecks hang in the balance. american military hero, four-star general known as stormin' norman schwarzkopf has died. >>> a fiscal milk cliff is looming. bears over the bruins in the holiday bowl. >>> good morning, even as the finger pointing continues on capitol hill this morning, new hope on a deal to avoid that fiscal cliff. president obama will be meeting with congressional leaders later today. danielle leigh joins us. >> that meeting in many ways a last opportunity for the president and congressional leaders to reach a deal and get something done before this year is over. if this meeting is unsuccessful it could seal this country's fate, as some developments yesterday. house members no longer on stand by. ready to come back sunday. to take a vote. when these tax cuts expire just about every worker is going to see their paycheck reduced. it's going to eliminate unemployment extensions and initiate spending cuts across the board. >> how will people see this in their p
>>> "d" day for president obama and congressional leaders. automatic tax hikes and smaller paychecks hang in the balance. >>> an american military here row the four-star general known as stormin' norman schwarzkopf has died. >>> 16 deaths blamed on the most recent winter storm with another one on the way. >>> a fiscal milk cliff could be humaning. thieves clean out a walmart, including guns, and bears over the bruins in the holiday bowl. "early today" starts right now. >> announcer: this is "early today" for friday, december 28th, 2012. >>> good morning, i'm mara schiavocampo. even as the finger pointing continues on capitol hill this morning there is new hope for a deal to avoid that pass cal cliff. president obama will be meeting with congressional leaders later today. nbc's danielle leigh joins us live with the latest on capitol hill. danielle what is the datest in terms of what we can expect in the next coming days and the likelihood that they can reach a deal? >> reporter: mara, good morning. well, this meeting that is the last meeting at the white house is going to be
obama offered what he detailed in the speech a week ago keeping tax rates where they are for families earning less than $250,000 a year, extending long term unemployment insurance policy, and that bit of detail he gave a week ago in a speech is basically derived from the larger deficit proposal offered over, really, the last couple years as president of the united states. we're waiting whether or not in the meeting, lasting an hour at the white house, started at 3:10, is whether or not they made progress towards changing that proposal in a fashion to pass the house of representatives or make it viable for some senate republicans to join with that. the president, the administration officials say they offered the proposal as a way to get republicans to come back with something else, they say. if not, the president wants this plan to be voted on in the house and to be voted on in the senate. this proposal is unlikely, would be making it through the house unless there's progress made off the president's opening offer, a very old offer, then we're in trouble. back to you david: that's why
as a tax hike and believing the bush rates intact and then calling it a tax cut and seems to matter to them and completely share the skepticism to sign off on anything you're talking about but from the democratic perspective, the reporting s suggests obama putting on the table is 250 refundable. like that would be included, too. unemployment insurance. the dock first. the amt fix. included in anything. no matter what. i guess my question is, when you get the added leverage of the bush tax cuts expiring and the country probably blaming republicans for it, what is the rush for obama right now to do a deal? >> reporter: that is the suspicion that's shared by a lot of republicans taking it, steve, as almost an article of faith of three weeks, a month, that the president actually wants to go over the cliff and i'm not sure if that's true. i have no way of knowing if that's true. i kind of doubt it. if you look at it, the republicans lose a lot of leverage. they have painted themselves in to this corner. there's no denying that fact. john boehner obviously we know what happened last week. sifting
. president obama and top congressiinal leaderr will look for commonngroond to keep autooatic tax innreases and spending cuts from kicking in. ed payne has theestory. 3 in what is seen as a last-minnte attempt to reach a deal, president obama mmets t the white house with senate majority leader harry reid,, pelosi, senate minority leader miich mcconnell and houue &psppaker john bbehner. they have only our days to reach an agreement... or the u-s economy will go over thee so-called "fiscal cllff." that's when automattc tax increasse and ssendinngcuts would take effect. reaching a deal beeooe then on't be easy. becauseeright now, both high-stakes political blame game. we are here in washingtonnworking while the members of the house of reeresentatives are out watching movies and watching the kids play soccerrand bbsketball and doing all kinds oo things. they should be here. i told the prreident i'd beehappy to look at whateeer he proposes but the truth is we're coming up against a hardd &pthis is a conversation we &pbbsh-era tax cuts to everyonne except those americans making year. many repu
is reached. obama and the rest of republicans remain of the impasse over the republican refusal to allow tax hikes even for the wealthiest americans. senate majority leader on thursday accused house speaker john boehner of holding up a deal. >> the american people i don't think understand the house representative is operating without the house of representatives. it is being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house representatives to get what they want. >> adding to the urgency surrounding the talks, treasury secretary timothy geithner warned this week the u.s. will not be able to pay its creditors after monday unless the debt ceiling is raised. we will have more on the fiscal cliff talks, speaking with congressmember dennis kucinich after the headlines. environmental protection agency head lisa jackson has announced a resignation ahead of president obama's second term. jackson departs after a four- year tenure that saw advances in the regulation of environmentally harpo practices such as mountaintop removal and the emissions of harmful chemica
reported that president obama presented a plan to increase taxes on income over a quarter million dollars per year, as part of the deficit reduction plan to deal with american debt. he would probably say to the congressional leaders that need to figure out a way to get it through, but i think the expectations in washington of a deal are low with only three, four days left until the new year and the media tax hikes and spending cuts taking and -- kicking in. >> that means perhaps heading back into recession? >> yes, there is little doubt in washington about the seriousness of the sick jubilation. the problem is withdrawing government demand from the economy too big spending programs, cuts with a smothering effect on the tax hikes will have been very damaging effect on the was economy and by extension the world economy. people know it is serious, but the politics, we know that the house and senate republicans do not want to increase taxes on anybody, so it is very difficult to see how a package can get through congress, certainly in time for the new year. one guess is that they could that t
between the white house, the senate, the congress moves to pennsylvania avenue. president obama meeting behind closed doors with house speaker boehner, senate majority leader harry reid and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell talking about doing something to keep more than trillion dollars in tax increases and cuts from taking effect next week. also joining that party today, america's happy warrior. vice president joe biden will be there. while some appear ready to compromise others are still ducking, dodging, trying to dump the blame elsewhere. >> we all have our ideas and in the senate, you're right. we probably another 40, 50, 60 of saying that we're ready to both raise revenues and control entitlements. when's the missing ingredient? it is presidential leadership. >> i think in the end we'll get a deal. the question is the timing. >> am hopeful there will be a deal that avoids the worst parts of the fiscal cliff, namely taxes going up on middle class people. >> it's pretty apparent that we are not going to do what we've been called to do. this is 112th congress. we have had two y
. >> for decades. >> president obama has presided over the lowest tax rate in mod hern history and decades. we're trying to role back taxes for people making over $250,000 a year. what john boehner is doing by letting us go off the fiscal cliff is raising every american's income taxes in about a week by not negotiating with the white house. he -- he's in a awkward position, he can't even get his own party to back his own republican proposals, so what we're seeing is congressmen and congress women are on vacation, senate is in session, the white house is there. everybody's working except congress. >> you know and i know congress is coming back sunday. michelle, talk about this. mark says it's not a revenue problem. it is a revenue problem, it's not a spending problem. what do you see? >> z we're not on the verge of fiscal cliff, we have already gone over the of fiscal cliff. look at our problem with spending, how bloated our government is. we're $16 trillion in debt. something needs to be done. this year we're going to spend $165 billion more than we receive in social security. $3 we're going t
-- or the house republican rank-and-file who so far have been adamantly opposed to tax increases at any level of income, which is an absolute prerequisite for president obama. if they do not come to some kind of agreement, but that tax to be voted on -- and there is doubt that it is logistically possible before new year's day -- then the most immediate impact would be the loss all unemployment relief checks for 2 million americans as well as payroll tax holiday that will come to an end, which means tax increases that over the year could total 2000-$3,000 a year for a family. >> school teachers in the u.s. state of utah and are being offered training in handgun and handling firearms. gun rights advocates have been coaching 200 teachers in the use of concealed weapons after the sandy hook shooting in connecticut. the national rifle association proposed placing an army officer at every u.s. school. -- armed officer. the man who led u.s. forces in the first gulf war general norman schwarzkopf has died. he was aged 78 and had been suffering from cancer. a look back at his career. >> not since worl
. the exact moment when those extended bush tax cuts would expire. going over the fiscal cliff could send the economy into another recession. this is a live look from the white house. present obama is expected to speak in just a few minutes from now. as soon as he speaks, we will bring it to you live. "one life to live" and "all my children" may be coming back. >> new information about a mexican vacation marilyn monroe took 50 years ago. >> how do they get a chance to dance with beyonce on super bowl sunday. >> where drugs were found a local airport an turning now to entertainment news. bentz will have the chance to join beyonce on stage of the upcoming super bowl. -- fans will have the chance to join beyonce on stage of the upcoming super bowl. 50 people along with a friend will be selected to join the singer on stage. >> did your submission ready leon. -- get your submission ready leon. [laughter] the company prospect parka well-known soap actor tweeted denied that he has signed on to play his longtime "all my children" character. filming could begin as early as february. >> a new twist
. the hang up is the tax hikes on the rich. those making over $250,000 in the obama reposal or $400,000, a level that mitch mcconnell reportedly said he might be able to sel? republicans won the debate shifted. >> the talk about taxes, but what it should be about is what we want to talk about today -- the medicare fiscal cliff. >> no date to cut a day to reform entitlements by tuesday. >> if we do something right now to have long-lasting, adverse effects on economic growth, that will affect us for a long time. >> until the cliff, americans say fix the tax problem. >> it's so frustrating to see both sides so far apart. >> we should not be taxed more because they cannot work together. >> get the middle class down and figure of the rest of it come january, worst case. >> worst case? no deal on anything. some tea party republicans are ready to let everyone is taxes rise so they can quickly help fix the problem and claim they voted to cut taxes. wbal-tv 11 news. >> some good news and now with the ravens officially in the playoffs. now is your chance to get the post season tickets. >> if
of the day in a crisis and if barack obama-- who's the only man that can stop a massive tax increase on january 1-- wants to do that, there's nothing house republicans can do to stop it. >> warner: with but explain why they were -- i mean, was it just that any deal that raised taxes period -- no compromise was worth that. >> it's hard to compromise when there's not two sets of ideas on the table. the senate democrats have never passed a budget resolution so how do you split the difference? what we'd like the see, the only rational solution at this end of the game is do extend the current rates for another year like was done in 2010 and let's go through regular order. let's actually write a tax bill out of the ways and means committee. let's have the senate democrats debate that. let's go through the normal budget process, pass a budget resolution by april 15 because the only way you'll get to the real issues which are tax reform and real entitlement reform, that has to be done through regular order. it's not going to be done in a back room at the end of this year. >> warner: that's w
. without a fix on general one, tax hikes and spending cuts will kick in. president obama will meet and search for some type of compromise. leaders continue to play the blame game and point figures. >> i cannot imagine their consciences. we are here trying to get something done. republicans are not about to write a blank check just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff,. >> i highly unusual sunday evening session. a man is in a, tonight after he -- found beaten in the hous in a house. he suffered from head trauma. he had gone to give estimates on contract work when he went missing. >> they robbed him. they were wrong for what they did. i hear about stuff like this on the news but i would never know it would come to my family during the holiday season. >> the search continues for a suspect. ever since the massacre, he gun control debate has been raving. it had us curious about gun sales in maryland. >> the rifle adam lanza used was legally owned and registered to his mother. police say he shot her florida -- four times in the head before going to the elementary school an
think it is fair to say had both moved relatively equally. but if you turned to tax increases, obama has already moved from, again the last public real offer $355 billion while boehner's moved only $150 billion. less than half. and then finally, and i want to go to you to unpack this. the stimulus money. this is not to be forgotten. we are in a recession. and many economists say that whatever else you do with long-term entitlement reform which is real, another real thing is growing the economy. obama has moved $250 billion. the number that boehner has moved on that stimulus is zero from the last final comprehensive offer. what do you make of that pacting that we are not mere the 50-yard line anymore? >> we also add that not only has boehner month moved, he can't get his own caucus to vote on the plan he brought forward. we are not only talking about symbolic gestures here, we are talking about someone that not only has not been able to deliver his own votes but isn't particularly interested in working with nancy pelosi to get moderate democrats onboard. again, we are talking about very s
of our republican senators made up a pro pose yl to raise taxes and two senate democrats reported to have said wow. this is a break through. we can get a deal now. we'll be able to work this they go talk to president obama and hairy reid, come back to say, sorry we're not atloud work the deal. they didn't want to deal then. they don't want a deal now. it worked out well for them not to allow a deal last time. they blamed us last year. them and it worked and got go over the cliff? blame republicans. not let the senate pass anything. we get away with it, again. >> allmúwu right. here is the quandry l dilemma. congressman> i think it does. the house acted.
obama. the closed door meeting was an attempt to avoid the automatic tax headaches and spending cuts set to king at the start of the new year. with just three days to go republicans and democrats are still blaming each other. >> i want to thank all of you for being here to call upon the republicans not to drop the ball on the middle class. >> reporter: there was a new year's eve style rally saying the fiscal cliff ball is in the republicans court. >> it's republicans who are holding hostage the middle class in america so that the wealthy don't have to pay their fair share. >> we need two words. presidential leadership, while not just taxing rich people. >> reporter: tennessee republicans lamar alexander and bob corker said the president has to take the lead. corker was not optimistic about the white house meeting. >> we're going end one a small kick the can down the road bill that creates another fiscal cliff to deal with this fiscal cliff. >> reporter: today's meeting at the white house is the first time since mid-november that at the present time has had all four congressional leaders
president obama had twice argue in public that raising taxes in an economic downturn would doom the economy. the president of the united states said that and iran on a proposal. lou: two things that seem peculiar. i would love for both of you to respond. i heard a lot of bonn, abou the tea party. the tea party did not exist in this election. it was a non fctor. why in the world would there be so much concerin the republican party about the tea party. why was there an idea that you're better off today than you were four years ago and pick 2008 as the year, he baseline, and it was a lousy year. in point of fact, just about everybody is. what o you make? very quickly. >> your immediate questn, yes, we were better off than the depths of being in a whole. president clinton explained the argument that we were climbing t. by that time election day, th percentage of people is of the country going in their right correction,saw the economy improving, higher than has been, ronald reagan when he was reelected. lou: i don't have the time. >> he was there. lou: this is the -- why did he call -- mixing hi
the great depression. so president obama agreed to extend the tax cuts for two more years in exchange for congress extending federal emergency unemployment benefits. those cuts are expensive. if they are extended by 2020, the bush era tax cuts will be responsible for more than half the total national debt. democrats insist that taxes go up for the wealthy but stay in place permanently for those earning less than $250,000 a year. >> we need to stop the job killing tax hikes and we need to start cutting spending now. >> republicans refuse to play ball. they say no higher rates on the rich, no tax hikes on anyone. based on an ideology that calls on government to be as small as possible. its roots are as old as american politics, but the philosophies main spokesman is this man, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. his pledge signed by almost all republicans in congress forbid signatories from raising taxes ever under any circumstances. things come to ahead in the summer of 2011. they demand they reduce deficit as a condition for raising the debt ceiling. without a deal
we reach the fiscal cliff -- president obama is launching a last-ditch effort to avoid tax increases and spending caps set to take effect january. the president is set -- set to meet with house and senate majority leader's for the first time since november. this comes after the partisan bickering with democrats and republicans blaming each other for failing to reach a deal. this morning the nation is remembering retired general norman schwarzkopf, who died thursday of complications from pneumonia. he is known for leading allied forces in the 1991 gulf war walk caption during -- capturing the public imagination. >> norman schwarzkopf a little- known u.s. army general looking to retirement. then saddam hussein invaded kuwait and norman became a household name. he turned into the face of the u.s.-led counterattack called youoperation desert storm. >> let me put it this -- it will take as long as it takes for a iraqis to get out of kuwait and the united nations resolution to be enforced. >> the campaign culminated in a massive ground offensive, routing the iraqis in 100 hours. >> the nav
november 16. sign for republicans that mr. obama has not really been pushing that hard for a deal. >> we need presidential leadership on in the just taxing rich people. >> three words the president did not use. he did not use the word sequester and he didn't say "debt ceiling" either. he focused most of his remarx on preventing taxes from going up. there are also massive spending cuts coming. no idea how they will avert that. he also did not mention the debt ceiling. earlier they wanted lifting the debt ceiling included. now it's clear it's not in the short-term package that guarantees if they get a short-term deal here, we have major budget battles coming. >> the key to any good negotiation each side has to give up something. near and dear to their heart. what is it, as succinctly as you imagine, both sides have given up? >> both sides say the president started on threshold of tax cut of $250,000. negotiations with boehner he moved to $400,000. not if you have for boehner. he wanted it to be $1 million or more. that is something that can beer worked on. spending cuts the republicans wan
in washington this afternoon as the nation edges closer to the fiscal cliff. president obama and top congressional leaders will look for common ground to keep automatic tax increases and spending cuts from kicking in. they only have four days to reach an agreement or the u.s. economy will go over the so- called fiscal cliff. that's when automatic tax increases and spending cuts would take effect. reaching a deal before then what be easy. right now both sides are involved in a high-stakes political blame game. >> we in washington are working while the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching the kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> i told the president i would be happy to look at whatever he proposes but the truth is we're coming against a hard deadline here. i said this is a conversation we should have had months ago. >> former president george h. w. bush is still in intensive care at a hospital in houston with a stubborn fever. the family is, that he will be out of the i see you sound. the chief of staff said sup
leaders will meet with the president to discuss the standoff. obama and congressional democrats want a deal that would let tax rates rise for the wealthiest taxpayers. many republicans remain against any tax increases. the white house meeting would be the first time the president has huddled with all four november 16. the senate is back in session. majority leader harry reid is starting to sound pesimistic. >> reid: "i have to be very honest. i don't know how it can happen now." >> reporter: the house is still on christmas break. but will meet sunday evening, a little more than 24 hours before the "fiscal cliff" arrives. but it's not clear what legislation it might consider >> mcconnell: "hopefully there is still time. preventable economic crisis." >> reporter: and over the edge is just where the economy may go. im justine waldman for kron 4 news. >> grant: the powerful winter storm that raced across the country this week is not over yet. the storm is dumping several inches of snow in the northeast and midwest. this was the scene in syracuse new york.were residents spent the day dig
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